diff --git a/roles/kalite/tasks/install.yml b/roles/kalite/tasks/install.yml
index 6d0c8765e..674b18f03 100644
--- a/roles/kalite/tasks/install.yml
+++ b/roles/kalite/tasks/install.yml
@@ -20,6 +20,15 @@
   when: not (is_debian_12 or is_ubuntu_2304 or is_ubuntu_2310)
   # 2020-03-31: Testing for {is_raspbian_9, is_raspbian_10} is not currently nec, as testing for {is_debian_9, is_debian_10} covers that already.
 
+#- name: Install Ubuntu keyrings on Debian
+#  get_url:
+#    url:
+#    dest: /etc/apt/keyrings/
+#    mode: 0644
+#    timeout: "{{ download_timeout }}"
+#  when: is_debian_12
+
+# use key retrieval from mongodb
 - name: Use scripts/install_python2.sh to install python2 and virtualenv
   command: "{{ iiab_dir }}/scripts/install_python2.sh"
   when: is_debian_12 or is_ubuntu_2304 or is_ubuntu_2310
diff --git a/scripts/install_python2.sh b/scripts/install_python2.sh
index 083904e03..3caa3f52e 100755
--- a/scripts/install_python2.sh
+++ b/scripts/install_python2.sh
@@ -45,10 +45,19 @@ case $ARCH in
 
 # trusted is used for Debian and RasPiOS as the keys would be missing for Ubuntu
     "arm64"|"amd64")
-        apt -y install ubuntu-keyring
+        #apt -y install ubuntu-keyring
         cat << EOF >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/python2.list
-deb [trusted=yes] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ jammy main universe
-deb [trusted=yes] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ jammy-updates main universe
+# gave 404 errors on U23.04 x86_64 VM
+#deb [trusted=yes] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ jammy main universe
+#deb [trusted=yes] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ jammy-updates main universe
+
+# works on U23.04 x86_64 VM need to circle back to U23.04 arm64 and confirm
+deb [trusted=yes] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy main universe
+deb [trusted=yes] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates main universe
+
+# keys for Debian future work maybe
+#deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-keyring-2018-archive.gpg] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ jammy main universe
+#deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-keyring-2018-archive.gpg] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ jammy-updates main universe
 EOF
         ;;
 
@@ -72,6 +81,7 @@ EOF
 # armhf compile flags differ between RasPiOS and Ubuntu
         if ! [ -f /etc/rpi-issue ]; then
             cat << EOF >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/python2.list
+# these might change
 deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ jammy main universe
 deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ jammy-updates main universe
 EOF